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, peter -- >> in the debate last year when they were talking about fema, john king asked him should we cut fema and put that money into other things. he said, his response, should fema be occur failed to save federal -- curtailed to save federal dollars, romney said absolutely. every time you have and occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. if you can even go further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. >> peter -- >> quick point, that is that you cannot run for president, you cannot talk this way when it is -- it was very clear with george bush, he undervalued fema, to put it under homeland security, put brownie, great job brownie who was a horse guy, political appointee in this, this has been professionalized, pulled up, fema runs well because you have a president that believes in it. >> okay. >> jim? >> are you telling me that barack obama made -- before barack obama, fema sucked is that what you're telling me? >> i'm telling you. >> no, that's what you're saying. >> they cut the budget for
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